EP 2: Simplifying Handling Your Emotions Featuring Ellie Bassick- Trovato

Episode 2: Simplifying Handling Your Emotions?

Today we are talking with the AMAZING Ellie Travato! Ellie Bassick-Trovato is a best-selling author, an upcoming TEDx speaker, and the CEO and Founder of The New Brave. She runs a free private high vibe Facebook group called Luminosa Playground for women who want to be EVEN MORE of the light they came here to be. In her epic high impact courses, she teaches women how to rise up and stand in their power, experience more joy, create amazing relationships with men, and grow their inner peace by embracing spiritual principles and their connection to the Universe. She also works with a select few private clients who are committed to exponential transformation and growth.

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Transcript

spk_0:   0:00
Welcome to the simplified Success podcast, where we take the complicated, overwhelming and unorganized parts of your business and life and break them down to simple steps so you could integrate them to reach your goals. This is a place where we believe anything is possible with the right mindset, tools and strategies. I'm your host, Lindsay Reynolds. Each week I'm gonna bring you practical tips and tricks to build your skills, mindset and strategy from industry leaders who frankly, are just crushing it and making things happen. If you're ready to make the shift from good to great, but keep it simple and you're in the right place. Hello back. This episode today is an amazing interview with a good friend of mine, Ellie, who isn't in women's empowerment coach. And today's episode is so incredible only talks about some different tactics that she is created that help you to build an amazing wife. She is all around you, finding the light within you to be who you wanna be and giving you tactical riel different tools that you can use on a daily basis to make that happen. So if you are ready to go all in on this. Here comes the interview with Ellie. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I am so excited for today's guests. We have Miss Ellie here, and I met Ellie in a mastermind. And she is incredible. Like she completely rocked my socks off during the entire mastermind. She was just another participant. And like, the energy that she brings to a group is incredible. So I am so excited to have her too here today. So I'm gonna let her introduce yourself, talk about what she does, because she's pure magic. So here she is. This is Ellie.

spk_1:   1:44
Pure magic. I like that. I do feel that way. I'm just make like that. My timeline. Magic Elliot, your magic. One of my clients say that I was like having an angel on her shoulder, so

spk_0:   1:57
I came Totally. I can totally relate to that. Like even playing in your energy. We were talking before the recording started. Like Ellie has this very, like, calming like energy about her. But then also, like, very wise. Like it's it's a great combination. I just love it. It can wait everybody to get an excuse to experience it. Did

spk_1:   2:13
your sub sweet Thank you. So my name is Elie as Lindsay? Just that. And Lindsey, I just want to say thank you so much. This is so fun to be a part of, Like the maiden voyage of your podcast. I am honored to be here and to tell you a bit about myself. Well, just well, just like skim across the top. And then you can ask questions as you would like. Teoh. Perfect. So I am a woman. A coming Ted, ex speaker. I'm a best selling author. I have a free, totally high hide, transformative private Facebook group called the Luminoso Playground, which is all about being what you came here to be being the light that you came here to be. And it's focused on women and so on. The women's empowerment coach and I love to do things like I speak at Empower and Girls Conferences. I go into schools. I work with teachers. I worked like I just I love that speaking. I love coaching. I love teaching. I used to be 1/7 grade English teacher, and so it's kind of all coalesced Teoh, where I am today and I have spent really decades in the personal growth and development industry as well as going through my own pretty significant challenges in my life, including becoming a widow. When my son was just a year and 1/2 old, my mom died. My dad died. I used to suffer from depression, obsessive compulsive eating. So I got to decide in the face of all that who I wanted to be in the face of all that, right, Because we've heard before that life isn't about what happens to you. It's about how you respond to what happens to you. And so I hit upon some. I guess I would call it magic in the process of going through all of that. And now I just likes me up to get to collapsed. Time and experience for other people would be like Here, Let me like this took me over $100,000 worth of personal growth and development. This took me years to figure out. Let me put it together in a package and like hand it to you so that you can stand on my shoulders and go from there instead of having to do that entire learning curve. So that's where I am and what I do inside the Luminoso playground. I go live every weekday morning. We do a goddess ritual in a 20 in the morning, which is this beautiful ritual for grounding and centering yourself. So you get to come from your highest and best as you approach for day. And then there's a lot of other free Clinton in there, and then I run courses. So my courses, my signature courses, are there is is the layers of aluminum assess a limit also being the highest Invest in you what I call the goddess of love and light. She's that part of you that knows she can handle whatever life throws her way. She's that part of you that you really want leading your life, leaving your family's life, beating who you are in the world, and the luminosity is mainly concerned with leaving love in her wake. It is about choosing love over fear every minute you can, so the layers of aluminum so that internal layer is that, of course, that I called Luminoso lights, and that's where you really connect with your light. It's where you grow your sense of inner peace by your connection to the universe. It's a spirituality course. It's seven key spiritually principles that Dr Who I am, that dictate who I am that empower me every day of my life had just become a part of the core of May, and they're transformative. They changed my life. Uh, then the next layer out is called Rise Up Luminoso, and that is about rising up what I call the ladder of well being. And we'll talk more about that, I'm sure, but being able to come from when I called the Green Zone as you interact with life and as your that's how you figure out how to choose love over fear, it's getting practice. It's learning. There were actually involved in all of these games all the time. The game of life is a game, and it's figuring out, how do we play that game from the highest possible version of ourselves, not shaming ourselves for the times when we weren't that version of ourselves, but just continually choosing to involve all to the next best version of ourselves and then the third signature course. And there's more also, but the third signature one is called Blue Men Know So love and it is about unveiling the mysteries of men and how they think how they operate in order to accept

spk_0:   6:34
this one everything, this one. But

spk_1:   6:37
in this huge in order, Teoh exponentially grow your happiness with men. And so that's you know, that I call it the layers cause it's like that internal layer and then who you're being in the world layer and then your relationship with men layer. And so this is That, of course, is helpful whether or not you're in a relationship with the man or not, You have men in your life, so it is worth understanding how they operate because it's actually very, very different than how we operate. And so when they dio X if we did X, it would mean why it doesn't mean the same thing. And so we are out there getting hurts and taking things personally that, honestly are not personal, like we're expecting a fish to ride a bicycle. He doesn't ride a bicycle efficient of beautiful saying, but what about a bicycle? He's gonna be screwed. It is gonna look like a complete failure, but he's not. You can't you know it's not effective for us to be in that place. So who you're being as you hear that information is really key. Knowledge alone is not power I don't agree with. When we know better, we do better. That's just one piece of the equation. We also have to be pretty high up on the ladder of well being so that we can do something with the information that we have. So that's how all three of those courses been together.

spk_0:   7:53
I love that I love I. Honestly, it's funny cause I've heard that so many times when we know better, we do better and honestly, it's, you know better. You do better and you integrate it. Then you're better because and that's I used to hear that all the time. It's always about just knowing once, you know. But I didn't see a shift in my own life until I really started integrating what I knew and making it until, like the things that are just my natural reactions. I love that and reprogramming in each layer. So how did you How did you? I mean, I love how it's all structured. It's like so simple, right? Just like 123 I'm sure I didn't start that way. So how did you get to where you had that? So, like, this is how it needs to. This is how you need to learn it. This is how you need to go. You said you spent lots of time and money investing in personal development. But how did that become? What felt best for you to just, like happen? Or how did that come together? Because I love how how it starts inside and then grows and gives you the tools and then helps you at the next level. I think that's awesome.

spk_1:   8:51
Yeah, that's actually a recent development that I understood it to be really the layers of alumina. So because the first thing that happened was that, you know, I've run many coaching programs before I've had my clients have had phenomenal results. I mean, one of my favorite things I ever heard was from a adult daughter who's Mom had really, uh on her other daughter had passed away, and her mom had just kind of gone dark and just was like, unavailable to her other daughter, to her grandchild's grandchildren and working with this woman. She came back to life and her daughter said, Thank you for giving me my mother back. Oh my gosh, yes. So I just feel incredibly blessed that I have a facility with how to teach people things, and I've been sort of evolving what that looks like. What's it called? What does it look like? How do you How do you help people to see what you can offer to them? And so this year, I started working with the new coach who just complete high vibe. Amazing, amazing coach. And her name is Melanie. For those of you who don't know who she is, Melanie and Layer, she's fantastic.

spk_0:   10:05
Came to him for sure was way. You're making a joke. A friend of mine who also works of Melanie. We should talking because, um, as somebody right into her at Starbucks, one of the other clients, and they saw her and her fiance, now fiance, and we were texting back and forth about it. And she was like, I'm pretty sure that I would rather hang out with her than, like, even like Beyonce. I'm pretty sure they were both in the room. I would just walk over to the O about like Is there anybody who would be cool to hang out with Melanie? Probably not, because I'm pretty sure I would cry. And I'm like, I don't know. I might cry. I don't

spk_1:   10:44
even know that is awesome. Yes. You want this awesome coach? Yes. I started bringing with its awesome clothes and I started really understanding at a whole new level something that I have been coaching on in teaching on for a while. Which is that who were being that level of energy that we're bringing to the table where clip on what I call the ladder of well, being dramatically affects what we will manifest, how we will feel about manifesting it, who we will draw to us and all of that. And so it was when I really started to understand I came up with this idea of like, well, I believe 100% that we are all like the light of 1000 suns is in us and life happens and we get lost. We forget or we know it. But we don't completely know it or we know it, but we don't stand it. And so for me, it was this recognition as I started to step away from the strain and the struggle. Uh, how do I make a business work? And how do we keep all the pieces lined up and abusing the mom and all the things as I stepped away from that sense of struggle and into this empowered place of like, this is about fun. This is about truly not just self care, As in, you know, you eat well and you get exercise but self care, as in you prioritize fun. You prioritize playfulness that changes what you're capable of bringing to the table. And so I wanted a word to describe this aspect of us that we all have in us. And I started looking good light, and I started playing with the word light and then looked at the word light in different languages. And all of a sudden I saw the word Luminoso and I was like, That's it. That's exactly what I'm talking about. So then there was this idea of like, OK, I want to create a free place for people to come because not everybody is ready or even knows about that is ready to be coached or even knows about the value of coaching. So for me, as a life coach, I will never, ever not have a life coach. I mean, when you believe in coaching, it's just like, why would you not? It is. It is what makes you see your blind spots. It's what it's you know, you know all the things I'm preaching to the choir.

spk_0:   13:01
Yeah, yeah, I know. I told I couldn't agree more when it comes to buy, especially on coaching. Yeah, there that we don't see

spk_1:   13:09
exactly. Yes, by definition. And so what I wanted to create was a space for people to come together and be able Teoh experience my coaching and see whether or not they wanted to go deeper and to be able to have a space that people become, whether or not they ever decided to do coaching, that they actually just have a really hard my place to hang out a place where we celebrate each other. And we, I mean that I've heard from people in that playground. They texted me that message May they run into me at the tennis courts or at my son's school, and they're like, you changed my life. That group has changed my life and I'm like, Holy moly, that's just the free stuff. Like come and do the real thing. But

spk_0:   13:53
what happens when you're really in my energy? You're really here?

spk_1:   13:56
Yes, exactly. And so it was this idea of being able to, you know, I started that the free high, my thing. And then I was like, OK, from within this. What's the What's the first course gonna be called? So for me, it was, Well, it's about rising up as your Luminoso. What does that look like? And so I created the rise of Luminoso, coarse and really with blown away by the results in that. And then I was like, Well, I spent all of last year studying with Alison Armstrong, who is one of the world renowned man experts, like she's off the charts. Amazing and I went through an entire year with through, and I'm not exaggerating when I say I worked as hard as you would work to get a master's degree. She's like no joke to be able to be certified to teach her material every single topic path. There was eight different topics. Every single one you research with. I can't remember, if it's 12 or 13 people, you write up the results of your research. You the practice, teaching for what you say, like PhD stuff. Yeah, it was it was serious hardcore stuff. And then you have to do a demonstration call with one of her people listening to be sure that you really know the material because she's worked hard for this material and she doesn't want to just land in the lap of people who don't really know what they're doing. Because if you don't know what you're doing, it can. The information that I have can be used to manipulate men, which is not what we're after. It is not ultimately gonna get you the result that you really want. And so So that's what I said last year learning. And so then the next course that I put together was like OK, well, blue men. Oh, so love. What does it look like to love a man from the place of a Luminoso? What does that look like? How do you understand him differently? How are you able to see what he's doing differently? And in a way that doesn't disempower him and disempower you so that came next to my thought process. And then, as I was thinking, you know, I feel like there's another course that I want to be part of my signature. And I realized what else makes me ableto live the inspired life that I live. And by the way, I don't mean to say I'm inspired every second of every day. Well,

spk_0:   16:02
know for sure. I know what you mean. I told you know, I think I think we're always like you. Change what your floor is of what? Of what becomes your baseline? Yes. So, as you're going, it's like I can't get you to where I want to go. But I can definitely get you where I am. That's always kind of my mentality on that. So I totally know what you mean.

spk_1:   16:19
That's exactly what it is. And it will talk about that in a second with the ladder of wealthy. And

spk_0:   16:23
I was gonna ask you about that. So I'm glad you're ready to talk about

spk_1:   16:26
Yeah, I love that. It's a concept that I came up with, and it's so powerful, and everybody I've taught it to is like, this is so because it simplifies it all so that my next thought processes like, What is it that truly makes me me? What is the grounding of peace that I have inside of me, no matter what I'm doing? And I realize it's really about my spirituality, And I had before that not been I wasn't keeping. My spirituality is secret. I just didn't really talk about it that much because I was afraid that it might, you know, turn some people out for whatever. And then finally, I realized your people are gonna be your people like it if it turns them off. They're not your people, like it's OK. They'll find somebody else's their coach, and then your people will find you. But you can't leave out this core piece of who you are. And so I put together a seven day course on spirituality and ran that, and it was after putting all of that together that I stepped back and I was like, How do these fit together? And then I realized its layers. It's that internal extract so you can take them in any order. You can just say one. You don't have to take all of them, but the the triumvirate of all of them is is massively impactful. So that's how that all came about.

spk_0:   17:40
I love that. And I feel like that that faith, spirit, spirituality, pieces Sochi regardless of how whatever your faith, spirituality, where it comes from, that element is so key in your success in some way like you, whether and I guess whether you want it's a God for you or universe, whatever it looks like for you and everybody has their passion of this is how it is. And I'm not gonna get into that debate moment. But I think having that element in your life is so, so huge. And without it you're missing like you're missing a gap. I totally agree,

spk_1:   18:13
yes. So for may I call I call that sense of the bigger thing. I call that the universe or source or God, depending on the day, depending on the whatever. And I don't consider myself to be religious because there's not a particular religion. I ascribe to it that I have 100% belief that we are spiritually beings here having a physical experience. And what does that look like? What? Why are we here then? and what are we doing? And it's It's part of how I know that I'm always okay. No matter what it looks like in the physical world, I am okay. This is just one of the experiences that I'm having a soul, and that just brings me a huge amount of peace. And you know what? If I get to the end of life and I find out that I was wrong, well, so be it. I had a much happier, more peaceful life. Believe it.

spk_0:   19:00
I'll keep my hope. You just But I'll be fine. Exactly. So will you elaborate on? I don't want to say it wrong. The ladder of well being. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. You at will you elaborate on this theory or method that has come from your your brain?

spk_1:   19:16
Yes, Head. Definitely. So the latter of well being is a way to conceptualize the distinction between how we show up in the world at different times under different circumstances. So if you imagine a ladder in front of you and it has 20 runs on it and we labeled the bottom rung negative 10 the middle run zero and the top rung 10 positive term. Then imagine that the entire like from zero dumps and negative tenants, all colored in red. That's the red zone and from zero up to positive tenants all green. That's what I call the Green Zone. There's a lot of different ways to look at this, but when you were at negative 10 you can be anywhere on the slaughter at any time. Any circumstances might bring you up or down the ladder, but you have a baseline just like what you were saying. I call it like a wave line, actually, because it's not a it's not a static, like your your age or your a fire. You're three or whatever like this across. It's like what was the line? That you're buoyant, too, when all else in life is like you. There's not some big thing going on or whatever you like, what steered the line that you're kind of writing? And so for me, when I was back at boarding school in high school, I was in a major major depression, you know, considering suicide, all of that stuff. And so my baseline, my weight line was really around negative eight, so things could happen in my life and I could go up from that. But all else being equal, I kind of like, just went back down to that negative place, my baseline. Now, because of all the work that I've done because of, you know, the the mentors that I've had, all of it, I in re programming, my brain rewiring my brain. My baseline is really about a neat So they has happened. I go up from there, things happen. I go down from there. But I am brilliant to that weight line. Soon down in the bottom part, the red part, it's where negative 10. Your hijacked your the angels of your better nature or up in the green Zone when something happens and you suddenly feel this reaction coming up in you that feels like her. And we were talking before about something that happened in your life, that kind of thing. When you feel that, like instinct rising in you, that all you want to do is like lash out at people make people feel like you. You don't feel so good. I don't if I can spare, Here's why Well, but it's gonna

spk_0:   21:51
be a little e next to probably most of.

spk_1:   21:57
So if you're in that low place, you're unrecognisable. There's a part of you that's like, who will extend that to what I did that I said that What I love about this concept is that we can, at any moment, breed of that negative 10 place. But we can also be at the positive 10 place that the positive 10 places where we radiate our best qualities to the world. So whoever you are at your best if you're compassionate, if you're generous, if you're incredibly playful, if you're incredibly creative, all of those things were available to you to be when you were in the Green Zone. And especially when you're way up at the top and you're Lumen, Elsa is when you're living as your women, Oh said. You're pretty high up there in the Green Zone, so that's that's when you're the energy were always putting energy into the world's oh ways putting energy into the world. We can't not. We can't say what time out. I don't like, just give me a second. I don't want to put energy out right now. We can't do that, unfortunately, because there are times when we're like Oh, those are not the energy I want to be putting out But we're always

spk_0:   23:01
that you're probably somewhere in the red zone

spk_1:   23:03
deaths? Exactly, exactly. So what happens when you're in the red zone? That's where the fear based emotions are, So fear based emotions will take you there. And when you're down there, you will find more fear based emotions because and I call this simple, sexy brain science, there's a few things that is important to know about our brains. They've done so much for to understand them. One of the basics to understand is that we have what's called a particular activating system. You've probably heard of this in the way that I think I even call it the Ras. Don't worry about how to spell it or anything like that. But the way that I think of it is like a soldier that does your bidding. So we have at any given moment our brain is processing. Our conscious mind is processing 2000 bits of information per seconds. Incredible isn't that crazy? But do you want to know what's even crazier? Our subconscious mind is processing four billion bits of information per seconds.

spk_0:   24:04
No, no. I can't remember what I had for breakfast. That's incredible. Truly, it's crazy.

spk_1:   24:11
So your particular activating system is that part of your brain, that's like, Okay, well, what are we gonna draw into her conscious awareness? Because it's only gonna be a percentage of all of its possible out there. So if I go on by a red Subaru, my particular activating system, my little soldier is like, Oh, she cares of our Met Subarus. And suddenly Subaru's everywhere. Red Super is everywhere. It's not like there's actually more. They are. Is that that's what you see Now let's say that your significant other chews with his mouth open and you suddenly start noticing it. Your particular activating system was like who she's aggravated by this. This must be something important to her, and so it keeps noticing it again and again. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that list that So the reason that we need to know this is because we want to intentionally take charge of what our particular activating system is bringing to our conscious awareness. And if we're in the red zone, it's also known as survives. Oh, we're in a fight, flight or freeze response. And so what are particular activating system is looking for is perceived threats. It's what we're scanning the world for. There might be a 1,000,000 amazing things going on in her life, but they're way up in there when we have green zone glasses on when we have red zone glasses on and with my clients actually put on glasses that have, like, you know, read on the covers of them. Because when we have red sunglasses on, you've been in that place before, where things feel hard, something hijacks you, and suddenly your whole world looks like shit. It's like everybody feels like everybody's out to get you or nobody loves you or like whatever the things are

spk_0:   25:47
your all the proof of all the bad things

spk_1:   25:49
exactly. That is what your particular activity systems like. Well, this is what she cares about because, like I'm standing the world for threats were in a fight, flight or freeze response so it will break you more and more of the feelings that are down there unless you find out how to get out of there. So I teach something called the Game of Chutes, Ladders, Elevators in springboards. Okay, because the let you know what you remember the game shooting.

spk_0:   26:14
I don't remember elevators and springboards. It must be like the 2020 Virgin.

spk_1:   26:19
I added that that's my game. So the shoots, of course. You know, the ladder is your climbing up the ladder. You're doing the things that fill you up the radio up to the Green Zone, which is also called Thrive Zone, where your particular activating system is actually looking for the joys in the world looking for the good things in the world. And so ladders like help you climb up and then shoots are basically slides and you end up on a shoot. Your appear something hard happens. You know, My my dog had to go to the hospital a couple weeks ago. That was a shoot. Plus, I was up all night with him. He's throwing up. He was starting up, not me. And I waas exhausted. That is something that will start sending you down a chute. So you're going down the ladder of well being to begin with your exhausted and then you get bad news and then you're going further down, or let's say something happens in your life. You're you haven't been taking great care of yourself to begin with. Or maybe you have something happens. It's hard. You're you're on a little bit of a shoot going down, and then you get yourself a hard time for it. You pile. Shame on top of it, you basically were taking yourself in pushing yourself further down the ladder of well being. It's like you just got off of one slide and then you're pushing it like you really suck that you did that thing and then you push yourself further down. The irony is, you think that somehow you judging yourselves, you shaming yourself or shaming other people, you should be ashamed of yourself. You think that's gonna help the situation, but it's not. It's getting people further and further away from the angels of their better nature, which actually resigned up here. So then I added on elevators, because there's ways to just jump on an elevator. You don't have to climb a ladder. There's ways to jump on an elevator that can just shoot you up here. Yeah, and then there's ways to use red Zone things in your life like my husband's illness and death as springboards into the Green Zone. Who do you want to be in the face of things? So that's basically the ladder while being there. There's a lot of different layers to understanding at all. But it Z one what you say.

spk_0:   28:33
I love this concept that was love it. It's so well, I absolutely love it.

spk_1:   28:37
It's so cool. So one of the things to know and this also has to do with simple, sexy brain science is your prefrontal cortex, Your PFC. Is that like the after work a part of your brain that came much later? So animals have the limbic system that we have, like the Amidala and the Amidala is the part of our brain that's like the lizard part of our brain. So imagine that I've got, like, a lizard hanging out with here with me. The lizard is not thinking about partnership, and how do we create a better world? And the lizard is concerned with survival, right? So what happens when we got the lizard part of the brain? Then we've got the prefrontal cortex, the PFC, which is responsible for sifting and sorting for information and making good decisions. It's responsible for inhibiting impulses. It's responsible for understanding things. It's responsible for memorizing things and for recalling things. But if we get hijacked by something that causes fear in us or we do it to ourselves, going into anxiety, spinning into worry all of that, our body thinks we're in a fight, flight or freeze response. Our amygdala starts getting all of the energy, and our prefrontal cortex no longer is getting. The resource is it needs to think clearly. So you're you're basically you're your body thinks you're running from a tiger from a proverbial tiger, so it's taking. All of the resource is that your prefrontal cortex needs to think clearly, and instead it's sending it to what you would need to run from the tiger. And that's not going to help you in terms of how do you navigate out of the situation. So in the situation that we were talking about earlier, yeah, you get hijacked, your prefrontal cortex goes off line. You can't think clearly anymore. All you can think about is red zone like everything sucks. Your your immune system isn't getting what it needs because your brain is like, what? We don't really need the immune system right now because we're running from a tiger. So the immune system is it relevant? The digestive system? Is it relevant? It doesn't need any energy. Right now. We gotta put all things into the stress hormone and getting away from the tiger. So really, the game of life is truly about How do you live from that place? Is high. Impossible on the ladder. How do you condition yourself so that your wave point is up here? How do you become the person who knows how to respond to the hard things of life rather than reacting so that you continually find the freedom that's available to you back up here. This is where choices appear on the in the green zone. You don't have choice when you're down in the red zone. You're just in a fear based response.

spk_0:   31:12
It's reacting. So how do you know where you're at? Like how do you gauge where you're at on the ladder? So I'm sitting here thinking when you first started talking about before you said, Were you where I was like, Well, I'm definitely I definitely don't live in the red but don't know how high up, like how do you know where you live, where you land?

spk_1:   31:27
It's really a feeling of how how you perceive the world. And it's also a feeling of Do you feel yourself constricted and pulling back him and playing small? Because red Zone is also synonymous with your ego being in charge. That part of you that believes you are separate from all other beings rather than spirit, which is in charge in the Green Zone, which is that part of you that understands that we are all connected. So if you were seeing the world in a way that feels causes anxiety and you causes a shrinking back kind of feeling, you know what I'm talking. But there's a difference between when you are like, yeah, bring it on world. I can handle it. I'm good, We're good. Your emanating loved your emanating light. That's when you're up there in the ladder, in depending on how good your feeling will depend. You know that would dictate where you are on the ladder, but the minute that you your per separating about negative things, you're in a but you're in reaction mode. Your constricted like down down in the red zone is constricted up in the green Zone is expansive. The green Zone is like, yes kind of energy, like bring it on worlds. The moment you feel resistance to what is is the moment you're back in the red zone. There's all of these different ways to start to understand in the more you can tune into where you are, the the better you can be at navigating that.

spk_0:   32:56
Yeah, and you talked about like the springboard and, you know, being able to take the elevator back up when you're in that spot. Do you think there's a correlation between where your buoyancy level is and how quickly you find those? Or is that kind of something that could be independent of each other?

spk_1:   33:12
Your buoyancy is in part dictated by how you know how to respond. I got your daily instead of react. And so one of the things that I put together, something called the Freedom Framework, which is basically how do you elevate yourself to to the Green Zone, no matter what, and it's a seven step process that I teach inside my courses that really enables you to always always be able to come from the Green Zone. That doesn't mean you're not sometimes gonna get hijacked. It means before you act. If you use the freedom framework that I created, you will always before you act becoming from the green Zone. So an additional layer of this is that people in the red zone issue red zone invitations to other people.

spk_0:   34:05
Oh, I see. Okay, I'm with you. OK, but the second title replay What you said in my head. First again.

spk_1:   34:10
Yes, I saw that going on. So people in the red zone issue red Zone invitations. One of the very first things that a luminous a nose is that she does not need to accept the red zone invitations that are handed to her. So somebody snaps at you. Your immediate response is to want a snap back. But they just hated to a red zone invitation. And if you snap back, you're passing back the red zone invitation. I called out the hot potato across the energy where Scott bouncing back and forth back.

spk_0:   34:42
Great time it passes. It lowers you on on the ladder before you know it. Negative 10 isn't isn't larger

spk_1:   34:48
exactly exactly where as we can also issue invitations to the Green Zone. So I think of that like the Green Zone, if you are able to live and elevate yourself to be primarily living from the Green Zone, if you're with point is up here, it's like you are staying in a hotel. The super fancy hotel. It's posh, It's got everything you could possibly want. And you have your keeping a reservation in that hotel for, like everybody around you because they can come and join you for free, like it's amazing. Then you've got people living in the red zone, and they're like in the Dumpster in the alley and their view socks. There's a bunch of rats down there. It's garbage E, it's gross. And so your own rings on, let alone a and then somebody comes along and they're like, Yeah, but and they're down in the red zone and they're trying to drag you down to the red zone. Now, the moment that you agree to go down there with them and look at the world from the place of the dumpster is the moment that you just gave up your reservation in the Green Zone Hotel and you gave up the space for everybody else that you love, that you were holding for them up here. So you just It's a practice of how do you not accept the invitations to the red zone? How do you stop issuing invitations to the red zone? And again, this is not about perfection. This is like I mean, perfection is like such a narrow line. It's easy to fall off of perfection. That is, a red zone like the pursuit of perfection is actually a red zone activator red zone player. It makes total. We don't want to do that. Yeah, yes. So that's a lot of information that you guys,

spk_0:   36:31
but I love it. So you talked about how, like the beginning of your journey and personal development started with, you know, losing people that were really close to you. So you've walked through some of that. How how do you help clients who are coming? I mean, when you lose, someone, especially is close, you know, with your parents and your husband, and having to walk through that, I would imagine that's pretty dark red zone type stuff. How do when you're in that kind of a place. Especially when it's tied to grief. How do you even begin to? I mean, that sometimes it's like, I don't want a ladder. I don't want a springboard. Don't even elevator. I'm just going to stay here, you know?

spk_1:   37:04
Yeah, Well, actually, the first step in the freedom framework that I just talked about is F, which is feel you gotta feel where you're at. You can't protect

spk_0:   37:13
nobody. Nobody in the red zone wants to do that.

spk_1:   37:15
No, Nobody in the Hudson wants to do that. But the bottom line is that sometimes you gotta feel the hard stuff like we're human. We've got this incredible range of emotions. What happens is that we have a saying. That's That's, um it's an emotion, not an emergency. Sometimes we feel like when we're having

spk_0:   37:34
a missing totally do when you have an emotion, it feels like it's the biggest thing that's like that. So I like that.

spk_1:   37:40
Yeah. Yeah. And the moment that you

spk_0:   37:42
want coming out of this podcast

spk_1:   37:44
is awesome. The moment that you can remember that mantra, it's an emotion on an emergency. You calm your own response to do that with some deep breathing breath work is one of the best things reporting a prefrontal cortex back online because you think about it. If you're actually running from a tiger, then you wouldn't stop and take deep breaths. So the moment you take deep breaths is a signal to your prefrontal cortex like a we Okay, maybe maybe it's not a tiger. Maybe we're okay. So you start to send resource is back to your prefrontal cortex. Um, but so a piece of it is like, Honestly, if you're in grief, you gotta feel grief. If you're if something really hard just happened, you can't pretend your way to the green Zone. You can't because your submission down the emotions, you're pretending that they don't exist. Um, do you have? I think

spk_0:   38:38
you're in the Green Zone, but then something happens and you and you quickly get to the red zone. Yeah,

spk_1:   38:42
exactly. Yes. And so giving yourself permission to feel what you're feeling, but not to keep telling yourself the story that keeps you there. There's a very fine line. There's a there's a line where it becomes self indulgent. No, I'm not necessarily talking about grief because with grief we all have a different path. It takes different amounts of time for different people. We can be one day out of grief the next day. Back in Greece, it can take years. It can take months. It depends on the person that comes in so many different things. It also depends on your belief system. About where did that person go on? What's that all about? So I have a belief system that upholds me for that. So depending on what's going on, you feel it. And then there's the decision. Okay? Am I ready to activate the Green Zone? Can I honor what I'm feeling? How long? What does it take to honor? And I teach several different techniques for How do you honor the feeling? How do you work it through? How do you get it up and out? Because it's just gonna choke you down. It becomes like a wall around your heart. If you're pushing down one emotion, it's like it's disconnecting you from source from people from yourself. You push that another emotion. It's another Well, it's another piece of the wall, and eventually you have this law and not only can you not feel the hard emotions, but you can't feel the happy ones, either. You're cut off from your joy. You're cut off from your from your humor from the beautiful playfulness in life and so feeling. It is one of the things that you need to dio and in getting support is one of the things that you need to dio. And then when it's time you move your way up the ladder using techniques like deep breathing, using techniques like the Freedom framework that we don't have time to go into the whole thing. But so there's there's a piece of the equation that is about understanding. When are you wall away when there's pain and then they're suffering. And so and there's really two different things that they're two different energies. So pain. Okay, my husband died. That is incredibly painful. Okay, there's no way around that. I can't pretend that's not painful. Can choose whether or not I continue to suffer. And there are some people who hard things happen. They might have happened when they were 12 and they're still carrying it with um and making themselves suffer. And so a piece of it is learning the distinction between those in choosing when it's time to move on and when it's time t take that story and make it an empowering story, make it a springboard into what's possible. So one of the springboards into what's possible is purpose. And so for me, after my husband's illness and death, well, even during his illness was where I was first introduced to the idea that we're always putting energy into the world's. It was the book Conversations With God that completely changed my life. We're always putting energy into the world's every thought. Every word and reaction in that energy is always based on either love or fear. And so, even though I was in the face of fear, a lot of invitations to fear as he started to go downhill and all of the things that happened, I found ways to immediately just bring myself back to okay. How do I choose love in this situation? What does love look like in this situation? What does love look like? A mist attrition? When am I focusing on? Now? If I wanted to love on DSO as you move through the experiences you're having that ultimately that sense of purpose of I want to choose love. What does love look like? Now I want to create memories with John. What does that look like now? I want to leave the purpose that came. That that filled me with that sense of who I wanted to be in that situation was part of what helped to elevate me to the place of handling it for the most part, from a green zone place

spk_0:   42:38
which says a lot about who you are, which is pretty cool. Thank you. So if you are in a situation and I'm sure the water listeners who have had this before where you have people in your life who are teetering that line between pain and suffering, what happened was painful, but they're there in that suffering. How do you How do you have conversations with people to try? And when they're in that state to try and help them back, you know what I mean? Or help them see that they're there on the suffering side. And you know what I'm trying to say? Like, how do you help other people when they're like when they had They can't see that they're in this spot.

spk_1:   43:16
Hmm, That's a good question. I think a lot of that depends on the person in your relationship with that person and whether or not you really feel invited, you know it. It's invited to say something invited to do something it first of all, if you have a really if you have the kind of relationship with them where it just you're not that close to them to begin with or anything like that, it's probably not yours. Mine to say anything. They're walking their own path, and that's one of the most challenging things. Sometimes is to see other people walking a path, and you're like But over here, like just like this small gradation of change and like it looks so different over here. Come here, come here. And that's when we're in the Green Zone compared to where they are anyway. And there in the red zone, and we want to show them what the Green Zone looks like. We want to show them what's possible. So depending on that, you know, sometimes there's nothing that you could really say or do, but sometimes by who you're being. Always I who you're being you are painting a field of possibility for other people. They see how you handle challenges. They see how you handle whatever happens in your life and suddenly knew there's like new realms of possibility for them. It might take them a while to catch on it, but it's getting inside of them, cause their belief systems are created by the reference points that we see around us. And so, if somebody sees now has a reference point of like, Wow, Lizzie just had, like, three really hard things happen. But she didn't get bitter. She look at how she handled it. There's some part of that person that's that's taking that information in now. If it's a closer relationship and you feel invited that it would be it's a communication about, you know, I'm I love you and I'm I feel for you and I want to help you in any way that I can. And I feel like you're suffering more than you need. Teoh, are you open to talking about that? And if they say no? Okay, look, not yeah or not. You just you gotta honor You have to hold space for people and where they're at, and we're not all at the same place. You continue to hold your space and remember, you're reserving a room in the Green Zone hotel and whether they're ready to go there or not. We have no control over that, even though it could be painful to watch somebody not ready to move but the heart. The biggest thing to remember is that we want to stay there so that we can just keep holding space for them. And it's also important to know, like one of the women that was in my Luminoso Love program said that she wanted to invite her husband to the Green Zone. He was barely frustrated because somebody just stole his parking space. And so her response waas to try to invite him to the Green Zone and, like help him see it differently. He wasn't ready, so her intentions were good. But then it became like a mothering energy to her husband. Then it became an energy. Where he could be called to feel shame is that that's certainly not what her intention waas, But sometimes you just gotta hold space for where people are at for that moment because you know what that's like. Sometimes if you're in a place where you just want to come batch about the world and you're just frustrated and somebody's like, Well, let me just look at it differently, then level and just want to be like, sure, you and you're looking at a different way because right

spk_0:   46:55
now that is not why I called. There are

spk_1:   46:59
times like with my boyfriend when I will not call. And I'll just say I just you know, this happened, This happened this happening. He'll go straight into solution road because at the guy, I think I think, yeah, as if it is absolutely can tell you 100%. Because the way that men listen is they listen for the points of what you're saying or a problem that they can solve. They can help you. Salt.

spk_0:   47:21
Yeah, we learn that premarital counseling. Yeah, way talked about that a lot.

spk_1:   47:27
It's so important because as soon as you give him the job of saying, you know, honestly, if you could just like, let me event right now, that's gonna help me so much. Then they're like, Oh, the point is she's venting and then you're like. And by the way, you're not responsible to remember what I say or anything. I just need you to, like, be there for me. Uh and then then he could be there for you. So we all need sometimes in some places, in my perspective, to be able to unload and let that stuff come up and out

spk_0:   47:59
for sure. I was thinking of something. You said they were ex crashing down, so I wouldn't forget. I love the concept you said about how when you're in the green Zone, you're holding space for other people like reservations. And I feel like it changes the responsibility level of allowing yourself to go to the red zone. Because if I allow myself in the red zone also closing off the potential for all the other people to see that they could be here to know I don't all tied. When you were just talking about how you know when you're in the Green Zone, there's a room there, but you can't make them come. But let yourself into the red zone from in certain circumstances. You're actually removing that possibility for people who are suffering watching like

spk_1:   48:41
it. Also, it's like wash like, Yes, I'm so glad. And the way that I think of it is like red zone. Can pretty much Onley create red zone like red zone? You're only sending out invitations for the red zone Green zone. You're sending out invitations that are You intend to be to the Green Zone right? Then there's 50% of it that's on them. How are they going to take it in? They might still go red zone from your Green Zone invitation. Yeah, but the only possibility of inviting them to the Green Zone is from the Green Zone. So it's It's really the only place it's It's not a 1 to 1. I wish it could be. Green Zone will always bring greens up, but that's not necessarily true, because they they're hauling a whole lot of stuff with them, too. But red zone will always bring red zone. And then there you are, plan in the red zone, down in the dumpster, and whoever can get to the Green Zone faster. He's got to get themselves to the Green Zone so that you guys can get out of it, cause as soon as you're up there, you could be like a well, but view appears better less Have this conversation from the Green Zone.

spk_0:   49:43
Well, it's funny to this when you're talking about the red zone like I can think of sit situations in my life where I was definitely acting in the red zone and like as it was happening like it was like I floated above myself and I was watching and I was like, You're acting like a crazy person like everything that's like what is even going on? But in that moment, even though I knew it was ridiculous, I was like, I don't care, I can't stop. I'm going to continue behaving this way or interacting this way. And it's crazy because I think it came with my growth, like maybe where I can't where I ended up in the Green Zone were might. My baseline is now the ah higher I've gotten, the quicker I noticed that, and I'm actually able to bring it back to Green zone type communication. But I think even then you still have moments like there was. There was a There was an interaction I could think of right now. That happened in May, where, like I don't even know like it happened. And I was like, I don't That was like the most un emotionally intelligent conversation. It would be seven months and I don't even know, like, why or what And there was It was, like, full on temper tantrum status like and I haven't acted like that behavior to anything in such a long time. But the interesting thing about it is the topic was a stew wreck attack on my control. It was a direct piece of me feeling completely out of power, completely out of control. And like the Onley reaction I could muster up apparently thin. That circumstance was like zero emotional intelligence screaming, yelling, saying things that were completely It was like you said that attack that just Oh, you know,

spk_1:   51:21
Yes, I actually I have something that could be helpful for you in regards to that two things. First of all, one of them is that there are certain foundational pieces that help us toe automatically be higher on the ladder of well being. And one of them is a sense of safety in the world's, and safety is tied to a sense of control.

spk_0:   51:46
If you think you're saying there was totally a safety thing? Yeah, I didn't get it anymore. And I'm not for any reason. That was the other person's fault. But the circumstance made me feel like I didn't have controller safety anymore.

spk_1:   51:59
Yeah, and so that is one of the fastest trigger. So it could be like every other situation. Your left remember, You're good. You can handle, you can handle it. And then there's this trigger that's just like the mother of all triggers. And safety is one of the It's like somebody pulls out the foundation of Like, where you even were on the ladder. And you're like, Whoa, free fall. I have no idea what just happened. Uh, so that that can help you to understand what's happening in that moment. And then the other piece of that Is that what you're describing about how sometimes there's part of you that's been able to rise above and see like, Oh, crazy look at you, Mr. Is

spk_0:   52:38
seriously when it wants Dio, I was like, I don't even like immediately I walked in. I was like, I feel like I immediately was like, What was that? Which up growth? Because back in the day. I want to just kept doing it in fighting and fighting and fighting just to eventually be right. And that's not what I did. But I was still slick. Oh, am I? One

spk_1:   52:56
of the things that I love about this whole framework of this whole paradigm is that rather than feeling like we're on a journey or we're climbing up a mountain and then we screw up and then we fell back down the mountain that, you see, it is a much more fluid, you know, that we're we're going up and down and that overall, the goal is that our wave point gets higher and higher on that ladder, but we're still going to get triggered. It doesn't mean we stop. It doesn't mean we're actually, you know, the last five years of personal growth and development didn't mean anything. It just means that was a big trigger that I haven't figured on had a hamburger. Yeah. So this idea of that part of your brain that was watching you conform allies that sometimes by doing what I call witness brain. And I discovered this one day when my son and I were having an issue and I was sitting at the desk and I just started like something in me. So just just start writing what's happening, just as if you're a video camera watching us, Okay? And so I started. It was it was like a little sticking out, and I was like, Ben slammed the door, and then I waited for the next thing to happen. Ben said this, and then I waited for the next thing that happen like and there was no emotion in it for me because it was what a video camera would say. It was a Ziff. I would. It activated the witness part of my brain, and that is one of the best parts of your brain. When you see yourself going down for you to activate because it stops, the freefall

spk_0:   54:21
takes you outside of in first.

spk_1:   54:22
It takes you outside of it. It helps you know this is something that's happening out there. It is not the truth of who I am like this is like I can watch this. I can witness that this is happening and it's a point of power that that stops the craziness so that you could get to a place of like, Okay, I might not be Green zone yet, but I'm not going as far down as I was. I'm not gonna continue to fuel this This energy that's going on down here, so that could be it. Zounds, Um, crazy. If you don't have a piece of paper and it's happening, you formalized what was happening with you. And, you know, you referred to before this thing in May. But just generally speaking, you're seeing yourself being crazy. Just formalize it in your head so that you actually step back even a little bit further and you say, Oh, look it. Lindsay just slammed the door. Oh, so you could say I just leave the door. Doesn't have to be third person. You know, I just let you just start cataloguing what's happening. And by doing that, you're activating your prefrontal cortex. You're getting blood flow

spk_0:   55:25
bringing down too. Yeah, like you have to, like, change like changes. Your brain wave

spk_1:   55:31
changes your gears. So instead of the mix of middle of the lizard going back, your prefrontal cortex is like and you can say things like, Oh, look at me being human. Woe is that I'm choosing to the human right now. Look at that. That's fascinating.

spk_0:   55:48
There was a circumstances funny. You say that there was a circumstance that happened in a work interaction, and I was talking to my manager about I was extremely mad because the way that the situation was handled was just There was a lack of respect there for other people on my team. It really bothered me. I got really defensive and so we were talking about it and one of the other team members was like, Well, here's what you need to do You just need to do blah, blah, blah And I knew what what? What she suggested was completely correct, but I didn't want to do it. And so I stopped and I was like, So I feel like right now this is all emotion, and something about this is triggering me in a different way. I think I might need a second, like I literally said that and like one of the major job and was like Do you need a couch? And I'm like, maybe because like something out, this is triggering me at a much deeper level that I don't want to be intelligent. I'm still mad. So let me just take a little bit and then we can come back to coming up with a solution, cause I'm game for that. I'm just not game right now.

spk_1:   56:47
It is so powerful.

spk_0:   56:49
I don't like leaving this. I was like I told a few more things that were counterproductive but venting. And then we feel a bit better. And then I walked away. It's like, got a Starbucks came back and then had an actual intelligent conversation about it. But it was so funny because it was in the moment, like same thing. I was like, Yeah, I know I can't be intelligent about this right now. I'm gonna need a second, But

spk_1:   57:11
that is so powerful and even being able to identify I'm triggered, like, because that's in the freedom framework that are so the efforts to feel and there's different ways I teach people how to actually feel and work through that and then they are is to recognize that you've been hijacked and you cannot trust your brain.

spk_0:   57:31
That's seriously, though. Like when that's literally what happened in that circumstance. I was so fresh because I was like you have to be kidding me. This cannot be happening. You know

spk_1:   57:39
s money. It was just like a placeholder. Like untried. Heard. I need a minute. Give yourself permission to be human. To do what you gotta dio. But take ownership off who you're gonna be in. What you're gonna contribute to that situation by taking the space that you need. That's huge. I was not go.

spk_0:   57:56
Yeah, I know. Well, I know that I was like, Well, I guess it's happened May and June. So I will be better,

spk_1:   58:04
you know? Might just be the universe giving your practice of these new tools.

spk_0:   58:07
Yes, I like that. And that was on. And I think that's part of it too. Like I even noticed what we've been going. Melon Elian are both went through the same program right now. Kind of like midyear reset like craziness on. And I noticed, even in how, like when I was reflecting back on the first half of the year and even like situations right now, we're like, I'm behind where I'd like to be this because of circumstances and different things. And that used to mean something for me. I would have made that mean a lot more than what I did when in reality I was like, Why? I made choices and I stand behind the choices I made and I will still finish it by this time frame. And then I move on. So it's really cool. And I love the way that the simplicity behind the way you've built this toe where you have tools like that's that's my biggest thing. That's part of why I created my brand To is like, I want you to have the tangible tools because I feel like when you have tools in your toolbox, you can do anything where guests stock is where we don't have tools. And so I love. I love this entire concept because it's it's literally the tangible tools to be able to have your best break. But yes, and in turn, your best life, right, But like

spk_1:   59:14
to be

spk_0:   59:14
able to use it for good and not let it derail you by accident. I love that

spk_1:   59:19
100%. Yes,

spk_0:   59:21
it has been so amazing. So is that what your Ted talk? That when you do your Ted talk, is that what it's going to be about is what you just talked about. Well,

spk_1:   59:28
first of all, let me just say it's a 10 x talk because that's what's the difference. The difference is the Ted talks are like the international brands, and then Ted X is a local version.

spk_0:   59:41
I know there's a difference. Perfect.

spk_1:   59:42
Yes, yes, there's a difference. So, Ted, you're gonna see, like Tony Robbins and burn a Brown and all of those people. It said Ted X. You'll see people who might someday aspire to be on the 10 stage. Okay, but they're not of that stature, Jackie.

spk_0:   59:59
No, I love that. That's awesome. And I hope you have a program where you can do that. That's awesome.

spk_1:   1:0:04
Yes. So the Ted X talk is going to be on turning fear into freedom. So finding your freedom. So when you're hijacked, when you're down in the red zone, how do you get to a place of freedom so that you can still be who you want to be in the face of the things that are hijacking you? So it's fun and I tell stories about my life, and I'm super excited about it.

spk_0:   1:0:28
I can't wait to watch it. It's gonna be amazing.

spk_1:   1:0:31
Yes, thank you, and I'm actually going to be. I am working well into a book about the whole freedom framework, and that's a piece of what I talk about in the text rock. And so it's all combining this concept of freedom because when we're free, that's when you get to be the luminous a version of ourselves. The hijacked version of us cannot be the Luminoso

spk_0:   1:0:54
white of darkness. Maybe, E said. Maybe the light of darkness, but way well, perfect. Well, um, I'll put all of your handles and everything in the show notes. But you talked about your Facebook group. How else can people connect with you? What other ways are there

spk_1:   1:1:14
Eso day? Frickin for sure they can connect with me on they look me up on Facebook and friends me. They can go to the new brave co new Brave B R a. V E Co on Facebook. I have, like, 26,000 fans on there, and they conjoined a limit us a playground. They could look up Luminoso playground and, uh, or they can email me l e e l l i e at the new brave dot com or they can go to the website the new breed dot com. There's freebies on there. There's all kinds of different ways toe to be in touch. The best one that we're putting the most energy right now is to join alumina supply ground, because then you're gonna be in the know, you know, get on my mailing last year in the Know about, Of course, is that air coming up? Get in there, swimming the energy that's in there and then see if it feels like a good fit and you want to take a deeper dive and do some of the courses. Uh, but it's a banquet of options that are available to you for you to just play. People inspire each other with inspiring content. People celebrate each other. People support each other. It's It's just a beautiful, beautiful space.

spk_0:   1:2:24
We love it. We'll make sure I have all that in the show. Notes. See you guys, Can I think I'll just scroll down and you'll be able to see it?

spk_1:   1:2:29
Way can put the lift right in there to the luminous A playground, right?

spk_0:   1:2:33
Yeah, And that way everybody can go straight to it and connect with Ellie um, she's amazing. Um, as you can tell, I told you guys, she's pure magic. Magical. But I just want to thank you so much for being on today and sharing all of your magic with the world. Uh, but yeah. So thank you so much.

spk_1:   1:2:50
I so appreciate that. Thank you so much. It means the world to me.

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